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Myob
Member
Username: Psiman
Post Number: 464
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 08:14 am: | |
It is worrying, yes. You have, however, placed the "blame" for this figure on the platform given by Question Time. My point is that without a comparitive figure this could be an improvement! I think it is likely that there has been little change in their support. The key deomographic of QT is not generally likely to include many BNP voters, although there may be some tabloid fallout one way or the other, and a few people will have been educated as to what a scum bag Griffin is. More interestingly, the BNP are in-fighting over Griffin's performance: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/25/nick-griffin-question-time-bnp |
Revolter
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Username: Revolt
Post Number: 197
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 03:40 pm: | |
There was no comparative figure, Myob. 22% is enough of a worry though. |
Rob Palmer
Moderator
Username: Rob_palmer
Post Number: 498
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 09:59 am: | |
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
Clearly a headline saying 22% of the UK public would consider voting BNP is deemed to be a better headline than 'Question Timme appearance has no effect'.
I don't think, therefore I'm not.
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Myob
Member
Username: Psiman
Post Number: 463
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 09:55 am: | |
According to YouGov, what proportion said the same thing before?
Polls are only normally meaningful if compared with like polls. Back in 2006, the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust put the same figure at 25%, but we cannot assume that means support for them is dropping!
The COMRES poll completed for the independant today shows no sigificant increase in BNP support - it has been hovering between 1% and 4% for months now and is currently at their normal average of 2%. |
Revolter
Member
Username: Revolt
Post Number: 196
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 01:45 pm: | |
Giving the BNP a platform was a big mistake. Since the Question Time programme, YouGov - if you wanna take polls seriously - say 22% "would seriously consider" voting BNP. At least we can all sleep safely in our beds knowing that the principle of "freedom of speech" has been upheld. What a load of tripe. |
Duende
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Username: Duende
Post Number: 86
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 11:58 am: | |
I agree with what devonboy wrote. It was depressing. Having Jack Straw up there didn't help. I thought some of what Bonnie Greer said was good but I found her a little complacent and wanted her to say a lot more than she did. Griffin seemed very physically intimidating towards her, I thought. David Dimbleby talking about 'coloured people'(not in quotations)..Griffin being slippery and actually more composed than most people speaking. He was ganged up on in my opinion (and rightly so)but people do like an underdog.
Anyone who has watched Big Brother will know that being a 'shallow idiot' is positively essential for widespread popularity. It was win, win, win for the BNP in my opinion. Well done the BBC. |
Pulp fiction
Member
Username: Pulp_fiction
Post Number: 123
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 03:12 pm: | |
8 Million tuned in, Griffin is complaining about the way he was represented, wasnt given a chance to have his say, and it was all one sided and other such comments. Well welcome to the world of the Muslims as his is exacly the way he does to them, misrepresented, misqouted, not allowed to have their say, all one sided. In the eyes of the BNP.
He is saying oday that London is no longer Brititsh and if hey would have had this event in other areas then it would have gone more is way.
So my colleagues on this forum who are from London/work in London, what do you about Grifins comment re London. |
Myob
Member
Username: Psiman
Post Number: 461
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 02:19 pm: | |
So now Griffin is complaining it was a lynch mob.
Funny - I thought he liked them! |
Myob
Member
Username: Psiman
Post Number: 460
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 01:29 pm: | |
8 million watched apparently. Even if the majority of those watching already knew how awful Griffin is, the resulting coverage (just look at the headlines today) will expose him further. If you consider that a signficant number of people vote for the BNP due to ignorance, then perhaps this will help. |
Revolter
Member
Username: Revolt
Post Number: 194
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 01:27 pm: | |
I'd agree with a lot of the previous analysis. However, I wonder how many of the BNP's target vote - e.g. the white-British, "indigenous" working-class - actually formed part of the Question Time television audience despite the fact that eight million reportedly tuned-in. |
devonboy
Member
Username: Morgan144
Post Number: 57
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 01:14 pm: | |
The whole thing left me feeling quite depressed. To my mind, the problem with last night was that despite all the risible statements, cringeing vascillations and u turns, all that happened was that the other panellists and the audience simply ripped into Griffin. This no doubt left some more misguided individuals feeling sorry for him. Giving him a metaphorical kicking may have given the liberal ruling class a glow of smug satisfaction but it served very little purpose beyond that. Let's face it, most people watching last night already know what they think of Griffin and his ilk. Those who actually support the BNP were more likely watching some other trash on another channel. They are unlikely to change their minds, no matter how big a fool he was exposed to be.
So who "won" in the end? Democracy? Not really - that was not democracy in action. The BNP? No, their glorious leader was exposed as a shallow idiot but no more than that. The Big Three parties? No, the rise of the BNP is largely a result of their inability to come up with some credible answers. The BBC? Now, there we might have a winner - look out for the viewing figures, which in this age of "politics as entertainment" is really what it's all about. |
Rob Palmer
Moderator
Username: Rob_palmer
Post Number: 496
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 12:39 pm: | |
I thought Griffin was shown to be the bigotted idiot he is. My only probelm with the event was that anyone who is tempramentally sympathetic to him will not be put off by the fact that he couldnd't string together a cogent argument if his life depended on it.
I don't think, therefore I'm not.
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Myob
Member
Username: Psiman
Post Number: 459
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 10:14 am: | |
I think Griffin looked like a shambolic racist. He was trembling, fidgeting, nervously laughing, and failed to make any kind of coherent sense. I thought Bonnie Greer ("that woman from the museum") was the best panellist - she gave him no quarter, was more articulate, and generally made more cogent points than the others. Of course Griffin was slippery and slimy - that is what he is like - now perhaps more people see him for the piece of racist scum he is. |
Pulp fiction
Member
Username: Pulp_fiction
Post Number: 122
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 08:33 am: | |
So who didnt watch this, although it gave the BNP air time, was it just me who found it cringingly embarrassing, Griffin did more U turns than a driving instructor.
I know all MP's back track and deny what they had originaly said, but this guy denied saying alsorts when its on Youtube or on the news or in his own paperwork and flyers from his own party?
People demonstrating outside, what you think, did this give more attention to the cause of the BNP?
And that jewish lad asked a question and it wasnt answerd, as did the Asian bloke about should he be 'sent back' and he didnt answer that either.
Thinking abou it he didnt answer anything realy, except deny all that he had said in the past.
That woman from the museum as a pain as I didnt see the point in her being there, and sh kept on talking to Dick Griffin and putting him down and he kept on touching her ( check it on BBC I player as to how many times Griffin touched that woman from the Museum, and can any PO remind me of the issue of touch and the non verbal communication element of it, ie patting like a dog, invading personal space or whatever its underlying meaning is.
Overall Dick Grifin was as slippery and slimy as a piece of slime with slippery soap over it and slimy stuff over that. |
