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Rob Palmer
Moderator
Username: Rob_palmer
Post Number: 513
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 09:44 am: | |
Thanks for that, Myob. Some interesting points. It will be interesting to see what they do if they get into power.
I don't think, therefore I'm not.
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Myob
Member
Username: Psiman
Post Number: 484
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 12:20 pm: | |
An interesting article on Prison Service website by Domonic Grieve: http://www.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/assets/documents/10004922perrie_lectures.pdf
It's about half way through, entitled "the Conservative approach to crime and punishment" Take it as you will... |
The Boy
Member
Username: The_boy
Post Number: 142
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 02:00 pm: | |
"What I can't figure out is why no-one is questioning that 'primacy' of free market capitalism and the private sector."
In fact, there are lots of people questioning it. However, these people are not sitting in government, making the big decisions.
Rapacious capitalism is the problem not the solution. |
Spike
Member
Username: Spike
Post Number: 1051
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 08:19 pm: | |
Rock...........................public services.........................Hard place |
Duende
Member
Username: Duende
Post Number: 87
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 02:41 pm: | |
What I can't figure out is why no-one is questioning that 'primacy' of free market capitalism and the private sector. Talk about flogging a dead donkey. Except this donkey is mega rich, serves no-one but itself and has cost us godzillions. But still the DOMs sit on top it making clicking noises:'Come on baby, come on Contestability.. come on Serco, ride us out of this!'
Perhaps an anti-bureaucracy campaign by the tories would benefit NAPO members. Scrap NOMS anyone? Perhaps the Christian streak in right wing politics might be more culturally inclined to believe in rehabilitation? I'm clutching wildly here. Perhaps all those jailed Tories will bring their experiences to party thinking? Or then again they may ditch criminogenic needs and turn probation into a Secret Police. Supervision will mean Supervision and we'll be watching people through their TV sets on continental shifts.
Who knows but, like devonboy: I have a very bad feeling... |
Myob
Member
Username: Psiman
Post Number: 465
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 08:30 am: | |
Surely the difference is much akin to the choice between a slow death caused by neglect or a quick murder with a hatchet? I know which I prefer... |
Revolter
Member
Username: Revolt
Post Number: 198
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 09:06 am: | |
Pipers. The difference is absolutely minimal. The Conservatives are just a bit more open about their Toryism than Labour. |
pipling
Member
Username: Reality
Post Number: 261
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 06:22 am: | |
Justa TPO,
One sided? There's a reason for that!Lets play devils advocate here then....in what way will voting conservative benefit a member of NAPO?
Revolter - I agree to some extent... but there is a difference as we'll see soon enough. |
justa TPO
Member
Username: Justa_tpo
Post Number: 406
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 10:06 pm: | |
CWC. I assure you it was nothing personal  , it's just that the article you chose was so blatantly one sided that I could not help but comment. On a positive, you have certainly started a discussion..one which will almost certainly, knowing the posters on this forum, be one sided.
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Crisis What Crisis?
Member
Username: Crisis_what_crisis
Post Number: 230
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 08:15 pm: | |
Justa, I was merely trying to start a discussion but you chose to have a pop at my choice of source. However, feel free to have a look for yourself. Just cut and paste the following into Google and it brings up the source document, which is a Conservative Party Green Paper.
Regulation in the post-bureaucratic age, Conservative Party |
Revolter
Member
Username: Revolt
Post Number: 195
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 01:39 pm: | |
There is no difference between a Tory Labour Government and a Tory Conservative Government. They both, essentially, support giving primacy to free market capitalism and the private sector. |
devonboy
Member
Username: Morgan144
Post Number: 58
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 01:00 pm: | |
I wanna be sick! |
Rob Palmer
Moderator
Username: Rob_palmer
Post Number: 497
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 09:58 am: | |
I am inclined to agree with pipling. There is always a tendency, after long periods of Government by one party, to criticise the current Givernment and to look to the opposition for change. I consider this to be naive and have NO doubt that a Tory government would make things infintely worse (and, yes, they could be a LOT worse).
As for the suggestion that the public sector has been 'isolated' from the threat of job cuts, we have seen terms and conditions eroded for the last decade: the introduction of lessor qualified (i.e. cheaper) staff at the expense of standards is a well established pattern. The percentage of qualified Probation Officers has reduced workloads have increased substantially and are set to increase again and again over the next two years; the loss of various allowances, the introduction of commissioning as stick to bully people with; the list goes on.
Please don't give us that 'you've never had it so good' line. It doesn't wash. Just because it is worse elsewhere, doesn't mean we should accept it all as inevitable. The fact is that the Government could recover the £120 million to be cut from the service by taking the bonuses off one banker.
I don't think, therefore I'm not.
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pipling
Member
Username: Reality
Post Number: 260
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 07:02 am: | |
Justa,
As far as I'm concerned memories of the last Tory administration are a fresh memory for me (wholesale cuts in services etc) and who you blame for the credit crunch depends on your political perspective really. As far as I'm concerned I believe that for all their faults the present lot are infinitely preferable to a tory govmt. I've said that on many ocassions so will not repeat..... but I will say this as members of a union and one which is in the public sector we will be on the opposite side to a tory administration over every issue that arises. Supporting a tory govmt while working in the public sector would be like a turkey looking forward to xmas.
As for Cherie Blair I've always had a lot of respect for her as a woman who is a highly qualified lawyer with an interest in human rights and employment law. What's more she gets up the nose of Daily Mail and Daily Torygraph readers who probably think she shouldn't meddle in politics but concentrate on baking pies.
As far as Europe goes as a Europhile the sooner we bring in the Euro the better. We should have done it years ago! |
justa TPO
Member
Username: Justa_tpo
Post Number: 405
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 07:03 pm: | |
Lets not kid ourselves. There will be big cuts in ALL services. This is a price we (and most probably your children) have to pay for Labour mishandling.
Getting rid of a few H&S staff is just the tip of the iceberg. And in a way we (public sector employee's) have little to complain about. We have been isolated from the threat of job losses that those in the public sector have been through. I agree with Pipling...you aint seen nothing yet. But Bliar and Gordooms fingerprints will are all over this. Not whoever gains power (what 'power' will be left after El Presidente and Cherie Antoinette have their way). |
pipling
Member
Username: Reality
Post Number: 259
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 04:15 pm: | |
If we are talking about the future of the Probation Service it is clear that privatisation and a salary freeze will be the clear agenda. But generally if people are unhappy with the present Government...let me tell you...you ain't seen nothing yet! |
justa TPO
Member
Username: Justa_tpo
Post Number: 404
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 02:23 pm: | |
I'm glad you chose a well balanced and unbiased article to highlight Tory governance. |
Crisis What Crisis?
Member
Username: Crisis_what_crisis
Post Number: 229
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 07:37 pm: | |
As the general election is 7 months away at most, I thought ot would be worth starting a thread considering life under a likely tory administration. The first post is this from the Hazards Newsletter.
TUC - Risks: weekly health and safety update - Risks 429 - 24 October 2009
Tories promise to 'tame' HSE
A Conservative government would allow firms to opt-out from Health and Safety Executive (HSE) inspections, with qualifying firms allowed to bar the watchdog from their premises. Instead the Conservative Party is recommending an audit system modelled on the financial sector controls that gave us Enron, Madoff and that nearly brought the entire banking system to its knees. A Tory policy document, 'Regulation in the post-bureaucratic age', trailed by shadow business secretary Ken Clarke at the party's conference, says 'the powers of government inspectors will be drastically curbed' with firms allowed to arrange 'their own, externally audited inspections instead.' Its aim of 'taming regulators' would include 'replacing regulator-run public teams of inspectors with a model closer to financial controls and audits.' The policy paper adds: 'Well run companies would employ professionally qualified experts in, for example health and safety or food safety, in the same way as they use accountants for a financial function to ensure that the correct internal processes are in place, and that reported results are reliable.' |
