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Rob Palmer
Moderator
Username: Rob_palmer
Post Number: 504
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 09:24 am: | |
It has been pointed out to the ministers that NOMS management seem to see things differently from them when it comes to funding and that these monies could go anywhere.
What is obvious is that giving Areas/Trusts the money to employ TPOs who won't qualify until October 2010 is pointless. Offering them a contrasct to March 31 2011 (as they have been told these funds are mainstreamed so cannot offer permanent contracts) is no solution. Its all tokenistic, pre-election superficiality.
I don't think, therefore I'm not.
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Myob
Member
Username: Psiman
Post Number: 477
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 23, 2009 - 05:06 pm: | |
anchorgirl - I fail to see what is elitist or intimidating here. If there is something you don't understand then why not ask for clarification?
My understanding CwC is that the DOMS haven't "snatched" control, rather decisions have been delegated and all areas have to bid for the not extra funds/reduced cuts/whatever you want to call them. |
anchorgirl
Member
Username: Anchorgirl
Post Number: 12
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 11:44 pm: | |
This thread illustrates beautifully why the NAPO forum isn't more widely used. I'ts elitist and intimidating and the posts are getting so competitive in their political wit that they make no sense and I have a politics degree.
I'm deeply concerned about the cuts and I do get involved in the branch, but youv'e got to make this friendlier, it's turning into some public schoolboys common room. Rant over. |
Crisis What Crisis?
Member
Username: Crisis_what_crisis
Post Number: 233
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:14 pm: | |
I would be interested in hearing what is happening to the reduced cuts money in other areas. I am hearing that our 'DOM' has snatched control of the decisions around what doesn't get cut and is telling areas to bid for their money back.
Maybe Harry could ask for clarification. |
Rob Palmer
Moderator
Username: Rob_palmer
Post Number: 503
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 12:00 pm: | |
If Mr Wheatley was NOT critical of our union officials, I would be infinitely more concerned. His approach to the work we do is based on ignorance, his management of the behemoth they call NOMS is clearly based soley on managing offenders behind big fences and locked doors and his inability to recognise that we KNOW the prison service saw NOMS as a takeover of Probation by the prison service all render him very difficult to take seriously when he is critical of anyone who challenges him.
If there is one thing Probation staff can do and do well it is their ability to recognise b******* when they hear it. Whether it is from an offender, a manager, a union official, the Chief Exec of NOMS or MOJ Ministers, the justifications and disingenuousness around what is happening to us are apparent and transparent. It doesn't work on us. Someone tell them. PLEASE!
AND WILL SOMEONE ALSO TELL THEM TO STOP CALLING IT ADDITIONAL MONEY!! ITS NOT!! ADDITIONAL. IT'S LESS.......
I don't think, therefore I'm not.
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pipling
Member
Username: Reality
Post Number: 262
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 06:04 am: | |
The way I see it if Harry is ruffling feathers he's doing his job. I realise you were being ironic Dave but your post could have easily been misinterpreted. |
Spike
Member
Username: Spike
Post Number: 1059
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:13 pm: | |
"get a sense of humour car" Jonah Takalua |
Tolkny
Member
Username: Tolkny
Post Number: 30
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 05:37 pm: | |
Uhmmn.
I heard one of Phil Wheatleys recent predecessors on TODAY yesterday whining about how we tolerate trafficking of children and/or we are not doing enough to correct the situation.
I was prompted to send the following Email to the "Media Relations Dept" of his current employer.
Something stopped me and causes me to obtain your opinion before I click SEND.
As there is a limited connection with what is already here, I won't start another thread
"Greetings,
That the Former Prison Service Mandarin, who did not see through the failed policies he had given public support to, is pointing his finger in connection with abused children on the same day there are media reports of Government's consideration of apologising for its predecessors former forced child transportation policy, is mildly ironic.
I well remember, working(as a criminal justice professional) with a paedophile in the eighties who was despairing about how he and his brother were separated in a school playground and his brother sent to Australia never to be heard from again. They were "In Care" with Barnados
Kettles, Pots, Black, - rearrange and add words to jusify and suit the fact that in the UK care of abused children is frequently charity lead seems of significance.
Fortunately (The Medja) so far has not apparently taken these points, and Joe Public is too befuddled to organise to take away the high paying jobs that people like Barnardos Chief Executive, seem to revolve through.
Regards,"
Comments Please.
Meanwhile, I have great admiration for Harry but we have struggled in relations with Gov since before Jack Straw or Paul Boateng (They all merge into one!) called him a dinosaur in about 1998.
He gets through loads of work, but I see him as primarily a prisons reform campaigner rather than a Napo person. However I doubt that we would do better without him. |
Myob
Member
Username: Psiman
Post Number: 475
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 04:33 pm: | |
I thought it was funny. The joy of a medium without tone I suppose... |
Revolter
Member
Username: Revolt
Post Number: 203
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 12:10 pm: | |
Dave, your post came across ambiguously at best. Not knowing you, my reading of it was that you were being serious and not humourous. I guess others feels that way too. Hardly a coup du theatre was it? |
Dave Dawson
Member
Username: Dawson
Post Number: 75
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:39 am: | |
Have you lot lost your sense of humour completely? |
Robbiebourget
Member
Username: Robbiebourget
Post Number: 30
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:25 am: | |
It is Harry's job to talk to all sides of the government and that includes the opposition party. They may, after all, be the governing party someday. But, even if this were not the case, the reality is that *all* MPs of whatever party must be approached and spoken to about Napo's concerns and that is what Harry is doing. Speaking only to the government is a dead end street if you want to effect change across the board. And as for what your Manager said Phil said, well, of course he would say that! It's a great excuse to pretend it's someone else's fault that the government is acting against us. If the government had to come out and say that, actually, they don't value Probation staff, that would damage them at the polls. Sorry, there's no way I would ask for Harry's resignation or for him to be sacked for doing his job. But I am really inclined to demand that Phil Wheatley be sacked for such an attack on a Union Official, which is well out of order. |
The Boy
Member
Username: The_boy
Post Number: 153
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 10:43 am: | |
Are you serious?
I have been talking to the opposition about NOMS and cuts - should I get the sack too?! |
Dave Dawson
Member
Username: Dawson
Post Number: 74
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 08:12 pm: | |
Today in our office, we had the honour to be visited by Phil Wheatly. It had been widely publicised. We were told that he would be wandering around talking to the staff alone. I had taken the effort to plaster the place with NAPO’s recruitment posters. In the event, he was met at the door by management at about 0930 and left at 1030. He did not venture along the corridor to my office to view the paperwork strewed over my desk, or to by chance to see the cartoon from the NAPO news placed in a position of prominence.
He did however talk to the managers: some of who said that he talked a lot of sense (sic).
However, a member manager reported the following (which is not verbatim).
“The problem with NAPO is Harry Fletcher, who is talking to the opposition party about the problems that beset the probation Service. This has the effect of making the government more entranced in its dealings with its policies and therefore does not give NOMS the leeway in making changes to OAYsys etc that would benefit the workforce” Phil, when I heard of his report, brought tears to my eyes. I immediately thought that I should ask NAPO to sack Harry today. I have already sent an ‘E-mail’ to Harry, but do want to publish his reply.
Does anyone want to back me up in asking for Harry’s immediate resignation or will I see him at Scarborough. I am Phil Wheatly’s best mate. I only wish that the hard pressed man could have had the time to talk to me. I waited all morning |
